I don't mean to trivialize your concerns or anything, but since when has this become a current newsflash? I mean, this kind of research has been talked about for years and years. Tobacco lobbyists pay for research that tries to counter it which is countered by more of the same research by anti-smoking lobbyiststo show the same statistics again and again. Many animals are being killed for this research too, which I have issue with because the point has been proven so there is no need to sacrifice more animals to restate the same results.
At the same time, we not only inhale second hand smoke, but also car emissions, factory emissions, bathe in treated water, drink water that's almost as bad as davis water, pesticide covered food, overlyprocessed food, etc... ANYTHING will give us cancer if we're exposed long enough to it. So, if smoking were banned all together, we would get cancer from something else.
I used to smoke and stopped (ok, I cheat once in a great while. You didn't just read that line so forget it exists... ) But I dont' really care if others smoke or not. what one does to their body is their own deal. Second hand smoke is just another poison added to the pot we stew in while we live.
I just posted it because it was on my mind. I do indeed see your angle, though. We live in a world that is significantly more soiled than it was a thousand years ago.
However, I think if people have the choice put to them, they see the logic in doing a bit of additional work for a cleaner environment ... hence smog laws, and renewable energy sources.
If I can be irritated by a soccer mom driving an extra-wide Chevy suburban with polished tires just to go on a shopping trip, and if I can be angry at a man who starts his campfire on the beach by coating the logs in motor oil, and if I can be bothered by the kids in the park emptying the recycle bins and smashing the bottles against the trees, ... I can be annoyed with a smoker, in my workplace, in my home, and in my public library.
Other than that it's generally not my jurisdiction.
Just a drop in the bucket? Sure. But so is most everything a single human can do ... *sigh*.
I can be annoyed with a smoker, in my workplace, in my home, and in my public library.
arwoo? I thought there was a law in CA that didn't allow for indoor smoking, especially in the workplace and at a library?
As far as your home, come on, you can totally flex your power there and kick people out if they don't respect your rules. No one smokes in my house. Everyone, including me, goes outside.
Very true too. you both make valid points as well. at my job, people are considerate enough to keep the smoke away frm the non-smokers. but there are lots of other people at shows with a lame attitude and don't care about how uncomfortable it makes others. I like the idea of smokers going outside to a designated area to puff away. I think it's a fair trade for the choice a smoker makes.
but if someone is considerate about smoking, let them. they hurt themselves, but it's their choice.
to go back to garote's suv analogy, I think driving an suv is completely inconsiderate. that will harm everyone no matter how you cut it. Second hand smoke you can try to avoid (or others can keep it away from you), but the waste an suv makes affects everyone even if you're not even on the same road.
Yo, I'm just curious here, but did I miss something a while back? You seem to touch on this issue periodically, and I'm curious as to why it's on your mind so frequently. Are you an ex-smoker? Did you lose someone?
Forgive me if my prying seems rude.
I smoked for 16 years, quit for good on 9/4/01. (Well, I've had one cigarette since then, but I've got a) bad company and b) a drunken stupor to back me up on that one.)
hmm. I think I mentioned back in a comment somewhere that my mother has smoked for 35 or 40 years ... Can't remember exactly where. But that's why smoking is often on my mind. ... renting a room from her and all, down here in Carlsbad.
Glad to know there are fellow sufferers out there. I'm gettin' outta this joint as soon as I can! I'm just pissed that things are moving SOO SLOOWWLLY. It sucks to worry about bringing people over because of the noise factor. If you get my drift.
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Date: 2002-06-19 05:29 pm (UTC)At the same time, we not only inhale second hand smoke, but also car emissions, factory emissions, bathe in treated water, drink water that's almost as bad as davis water, pesticide covered food, overlyprocessed food, etc... ANYTHING will give us cancer if we're exposed long enough to it. So, if smoking were banned all together, we would get cancer from something else.
I used to smoke and stopped (ok, I cheat once in a great while. You didn't just read that line so forget it exists... ) But I dont' really care if others smoke or not. what one does to their body is their own deal. Second hand smoke is just another poison added to the pot we stew in while we live.
my $.02
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Date: 2002-06-19 05:56 pm (UTC)However, I think if people have the choice put to them, they see the logic in doing a bit of additional work for a cleaner environment ... hence smog laws, and renewable energy sources.
If I can be irritated by a soccer mom driving an extra-wide Chevy suburban with polished tires just to go on a shopping trip, and if I can be angry at a man who starts his campfire on the beach by coating the logs in motor oil, and if I can be bothered by the kids in the park emptying the recycle bins and smashing the bottles against the trees,
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I can be annoyed with a smoker, in my workplace, in my home, and in my public library.
Other than that it's generally not my jurisdiction.
Just a drop in the bucket? Sure. But so is most everything a single human can do ... *sigh*.
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Date: 2002-06-20 10:34 am (UTC)arwoo?
I thought there was a law in CA that didn't allow for indoor smoking, especially in the workplace and at a library?
As far as your home, come on, you can totally flex your power there and kick people out if they don't respect your rules.
No one smokes in my house. Everyone, including me, goes outside.
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Date: 2002-06-20 09:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2002-06-19 10:30 pm (UTC)As far as I'm concerned, the backlash against non-smokers ends with me. >:)
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Date: 2002-06-20 12:17 am (UTC)but if someone is considerate about smoking, let them. they hurt themselves, but it's their choice.
to go back to garote's suv analogy, I think driving an suv is completely inconsiderate. that will harm everyone no matter how you cut it. Second hand smoke you can try to avoid (or others can keep it away from you), but the waste an suv makes affects everyone even if you're not even on the same road.
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Date: 2002-06-29 09:23 am (UTC)Forgive me if my prying seems rude.
I smoked for 16 years, quit for good on 9/4/01. (Well, I've had one cigarette since then, but I've got a) bad company and b) a drunken stupor to back me up on that one.)
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Date: 2002-06-29 04:25 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2002-06-30 10:19 am (UTC)I rent from my mom as well - shall we compare bills? She charges me close to $400 a month, and is always bitching that that isn't enough. :)
Most of my friends live at home, and none of them pay any rent at all. It makes me insane!!! I could be doing so much with that cash! haha
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Glad to know there are fellow sufferers out there. I'm gettin' outta this joint as soon as I can! I'm just pissed that things are moving SOO SLOOWWLLY. It sucks to worry about bringing people over because of the noise factor. If you get my drift.
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Date: 2002-06-30 08:43 pm (UTC)Oh, don't I. And I have my niece and nephew above me, so I have to be extra quiet at night. :(